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PostSubject: The Jasper Thread   Tue May 17, 2016 10:22 am

Lots and lots of people love Jasper, as seen by the "Big Buff Cheeto Puff" nickname. Many really want Jasper to be redeemed and become a Crystal Gem. Some think she's dead, some don't (like me).

If Jasper is one of your faves, this is the thread to gush about her until you cannot gush about her anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Tue May 17, 2016 6:23 pm

Much love for the Big Buff Cheeto Puff.

I don't see her as dead.More then likely her gem has cracked and that will set up Steven using his healing powers to say him,no doubt after a period where she doesn't want to be saved but then gets to a point where she is slowly degrading and Steven saves her whether she wants to be saved or not.

I feel she would make a great addition to the team as she brings in things the team currently lack.For one she knows current Homeworld military tactics,handy given Homeworld will no doubt try and attack Earth in mass at some point.She also brings in much needed muscle to the Crystal Gems.Even though Garnet won in her fight against Jasper it was still a close fight and Jasper isn't a fusion.Think what they CG could do if they added Jasper's might to the team.

I also think she could add a much needed tough love approach for Steven.Jasper fought against Rose and respected her tactics.She knows war,something Steven knows very little.

And finally I think she would round off the Gen 2 of the CG that Steven seems to be forming,intentional or not.I am curious how Jasper's new views on fusion will play out and if they will make her even more like Garnet when Garnet first fused.
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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Thu May 19, 2016 1:29 pm

@ArcNitemare wrote:
Much love for the Big Buff Cheeto Puff.

I don't see her as dead.More then likely her gem has cracked and that will set up Steven using his healing powers to say him,no doubt after a period where she doesn't want to be saved but then gets to a point where she is slowly degrading and Steven saves her whether she wants to be saved or not.

I feel she would make a great addition to the team as she brings in things the team currently lack.For one she knows current Homeworld military tactics,handy given Homeworld will no doubt try and attack Earth in mass at some point.She also brings in much needed muscle to the Crystal Gems.Even though Garnet won in her fight against Jasper it was still a close fight and Jasper isn't a fusion.Think what they CG could do if they added Jasper's might to the team.

I also think she could add a much needed tough love approach for Steven.Jasper fought against Rose and respected her tactics.She knows war,something Steven knows very little.

And finally I think she would round off the Gen 2 of the CG that Steven seems to be forming,intentional or not.I am curious how Jasper's new views on fusion will play out and if they will make her even more like Garnet when Garnet first fused.

These are great points. If Jasper's gem is cracked, it's definitely a great way for her and Steven to build a relationship. They could indeed use the extra muscle.

But, as you mention, I don't think it'll be that easy getting her to join the team. She'll be reluctant. Even more reluctant than Peridot was about approaching Steven. She will be stubborn.

I do like the idea of that big buff puff being protective of lil squishy Steven. It sounds really cute and amaze.
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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Fri May 20, 2016 7:32 am

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If Jasper's gem is cracked, it's definitely a great way for her and Steven to build a relationship. They could indeed use the extra muscle.

But, as you mention, I don't think it'll be that easy getting her to join the team. She'll be reluctant. Even more reluctant than Peridot was about approaching Steven. She will be stubborn.

I do like the idea of that big buff puff being protective of lil squishy Steven. It sounds really cute and amaze.

There are few fun videos supporting theory of her joining in Crysta Gems




Here you have few other ideas and reasons why would Jasper join Crystal Gems. Mostly it is based on her being 'loyal soldier' and that Loyalty being putted to the test.
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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Sun May 29, 2016 1:40 pm

There's a new theory that Jasper will be redeemed by Connie. This will be done by Connie showing Jasper that people aren't weak and thus are "worth something". I find this incredibly plausible and it would be interesting to see someone not Steven sway a Homeworld gem over.

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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Sun May 29, 2016 3:16 pm

That would be amazing! Maybe Connie and Steven could do it together?
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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:04 pm

I've never thought much one way or the other about Jasper, but I am curious to find out more about the buff puff (that's an awesome nickname xD). Also, the idea of Connie being the one to turn Jasper to the Crystal Gem group sounds amazing! I am hoping for that outcome now xD Kinda hope it's just Connie who does it - though I suppose Steven should be involved at least a little since the Crystal Gems all have a common love of Steven. <3

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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:32 am

I honesty wonder if Jasper will get a redemption arc, I mean on SU it's probably but I don't think that everyone should be redeemed or can be redeemed. Jasper may turn against homeworld for whatever reasons but that doesn't mean that she'll become a Crystal Gem.

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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:16 am

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I honesty wonder if Jasper will get a redemption arc, I mean on SU it's probably but I don't think that everyone should be redeemed or can be redeemed. Jasper may turn against homeworld for whatever reasons but that doesn't mean that she'll become a Crystal Gem.

Why do you think Jasper won't become a Crystal Gem? I'm curious on your thoughts.

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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:50 am

If she does, then I think it's going to be more reluctant than Lapis is. Jasper HATES Rose Quartz and what she stands for. Even if she turns against homeworld for whatever reason, I don't think she'll be willing to join Rose's band of Merry Gems. I wonder if she has something personal against Rose Quartz or if she just sees her as a rival she needs to defeat, it's a little hard to tell. 

Plus more on a personal note, while redemption is all good and everything I don't think that every single character can be redeemed or wants to be redeemed. They may turn against the status quo but I feel like Jasper is the type to strike out on her own rather than join the others.

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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:36 am



I think this also have hidden message. Like Peridot had water, and Lapis Life that is a bit Like Japer's gemstone...so maybe there is something...some foreshadowing?
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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:39 am

Just so you know what you put into the image was a link to a webapge, not an image url xD but I still got to the pictures.  So where do you see hidden messages in this? I'm curious. 

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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:55 am

Yes. I noticed it was crashed. So I fixed
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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:16 pm

Not a problem xD

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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:43 pm

But going back to Jasper I think she mostly loyal to gem kind mostly. So if Diamonds turn out to not making the best choices for gem kind she may just want to go against them. I mean crossed fusion is showed as bad and weak thing and we know how amazing can be power of fusion.

I mean she may not join CG but she probably will respect them She did respected Rose so she may get to respect choices she made and and earth ways that don't play by home world rules.
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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:37 pm

@Goldenevil91 wrote:
But going back to Jasper I think she mostly loyal to gem kind mostly. So if Diamonds turn out to not making the best choices for gem kind she may just want to go against them. I mean crossed fusion is showed as bad and weak thing and we know how amazing can be power of fusion.

I mean she may not join CG but she probably will respect them She did respected Rose so she may get to respect choices she made and and earth ways that don't play by home world rules.

I'd almost go so far to say that even if the diamonds didn't have the best intentions in mind for gems, she'd still remain loyal. Even if it meant sacrifices for Jasper. That's what loyalty means after all.

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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:20 pm

We just may wait and see
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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:46 am

Okay, so I’ve gotta share my opinions on Jasper. I have a mighty need.

I think Jasper will be redeemed.

I also think that in Jasper’s eyes, Rose Quartz and the Crystal Gems may also be redeemed.

Firstly, a big thing in storytelling in general is building up a character’s potential. It’s what makes a reader or viewer really want to see what happens with a specific character. Out of all the Steven Universe Characters, I think Jasper has the most of this potential. Here is why.

We have three Homeworld Gems (two former) that are present in the story at this moment. Peridot, Lapis Lazuli, and Jasper.

We know Peridot at this point. Her potential has been expressed and she’s great.

We also know a lot more about Lapis at this point, since we know her backstory more and her personality.

We know next to nothing about Jasper, and this is where potential comes in.

About the only thing we know for sure about Jasper is that she is a veteran of the first gem invasion of earth. We know this because in the episode The Return, Jasper tells Steven “I was there you know, at the first war for this garbage planet”. We also know that she will go against her own beliefs if it gives her an advantage in combat aka: “Fusion is just a cheap tactic to make weak gems stronger” and then getting Lapis to fuse with her so she could beat up the Crystal Gems.

Both of these traits over time have built up a massive amount of potential, and here is why.

Jasper is a veteran of the first gem war on earth. This would mean she is a loyal soldier who fought for homeworld for the entire duration of this war. But what she said earlier in the episode The Return actually somewhat contradicts Jasper being a loyal gem, when she tells Peridot and Lapis to “Forget the mission: Rose Quartz takes priority.” In the following episode, Peridot tells Jasper that they couldn’t leave Earth yet because she needed to check on the Cluster, as that was the entire point of the mission. Jasper says again, “Rose Quartz takes priority.” She very obviously doesn’t care about the mission anymore.

This is technically disobeying orders. Jasper does not necessarily have the authority to change the mission entirely. This puts Jasper’s ‘loyalty’ into question, meaning just because she is a gem warrior, who in theory should be as loyal to Yellow Diamond as possible, doesn’t mean she is actually that loyal. Jasper is already known to go against her own beliefs if she thinks it gives her an advantage in combat, so she may go against other things for personal reasons.

Another thing that builds up potential for Jasper to be redeemed is Yellow Diamond. Yellow Diamond clearly does not like failure, as in Message Recieved she tells Peridot that she doesn’t care about the resources the earth could still provide, she tells Peridot instead that she wants that planet to die. Not even that she just wants her geoweapon. She wants the earth to die enough that it’s worthy of mentioning. This is because the earth is a giant reminder of one of the failures of the Diamond Authority. So Yellow Diamond 99% of the time hates failure, and I think there’s enough evidence in her dialogue to prove that.

Thus, the gems working under Yellow Diamond are likely TERRIFIED of failure. Even in Hit the Diamond when the Rubies ask Peridot if she was the Peridot assigned to the *failed* earth mission, Peridot says that she wouldn’t say failed would be the most accurate term. Despite the fact that the mission definitely failed. That might be grasping at straws, but I believe she’s terrified of that.

The reason that the mission failed wasn’t even Peridot’s fault, however. It was Jasper’s. Jasper ignored the actual mission for what seemed to be a personal grudge, although for a potentially valid reason. If Jasper had actually managed to bring Steven back to Homeworld, that failure may have been excused. But she didn’t, and she can’t now. There is nothing to excuse that failure.

In addition to that, Jasper will do anything to win in combat. This is probably something she got from being a soldier in the war. You had to get every advantage you could to survive, because we know that other soldiers in the war (Other Jaspers and other Quartz probably) were defeated and shattered in the war. It’s like natural selection: only the strongest survive.

Jasper has lost every single battle she’s fought since arriving on Earth. She will see those losses as equal to failures.

And there’s the potential. What effect will that have on her ego and personality? Jasper also cannot get off of Earth. She’s also in the earth somewhere (I think in the ocean since it was an island that split open in Super Watermelon Island). When she wakes up, how will she react?

My belief that she fell into the water also makes me believe that her gem is not cracked, but if it is, that only adds to the potential. How would she react to waking up in the middle of the ocean, alone, with a cracked gem? With no way to get to homeworld? With no allies to help her out?

There is so much that could be done with Jasper, which is why I think she will be redeemed in some way. Mostly because she doesn’t have much of a choice if she wants to survive on Earth. Especially if her gem is cracked: that would actually speed up the redemption process.

Also, redemption in my opinion starts when a gem decides to cooperate (and not attack) the Crystal Gems. Like Peridot did when her redemption arc started. Jasper doesn’t necessarily have to join the Crystal Gems to be redeemed, though I think she will join them eventually. That’s simply because if she, like Peridot, starts to actually like the earth, then she will realize the wrong that Homeworld is doing. Also, I feel like something in the future is going to make Jasper feel betrayed by Homeworld, such as learning that Yellow Diamond did not want to stop the emergence of the Cluster even with Peridot and Jasper still on Earth. I don’t think Jasper would appreciate being ‘expendable’ in Yellow Diamond’s eyes.

So yeah, there’s my opinion on if Jasper will be redeemed and why.
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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:36 am

I agree a 100%, Jamit.

Also the fact that some people really think that they'd just kill off a character that has lots of potential in a CARTOON for CHILDREN does surprise me however xD
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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:32 am

Someone asked a great question about Jasper:

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I’m honestly wondering why Jasper means so much to home world that she’s more important than a rebelling peridot who refuses to do her job. What does Jasper do on homeworld?

I never thought of that before. Why IS Jasper more important than Peridot, who called Yellow Diamond a clod?

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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:53 am

@Garnet wrote:
Someone asked a great question about Jasper:

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I’m honestly wondering why Jasper means so much to home world that she’s more important than a rebelling peridot who refuses to do her job. What does Jasper do on homeworld?

I never thought of that before. Why IS Jasper more important than Peridot, who called Yellow Diamond a clod?

Oi, YD isn't a petty mofo, aight? Looking for a peridot on a planet that you already plan on destroying is a waste of resources, I'm assuming that a peridot isn't too far from a pearl in their caste system. Peridots are low tier weaklings without their limb enhancers. Jasper has some content to her, she had a cape in the beginning. What ordinary soldier wears a cape? Plus, she wants to #killoffrosequartz and was there for the first war.
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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:15 pm

@Altruvolant wrote:
@Garnet wrote:
Someone asked a great question about Jasper:

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I’m honestly wondering why Jasper means so much to home world that she’s more important than a rebelling peridot who refuses to do her job. What does Jasper do on homeworld?

I never thought of that before. Why IS Jasper more important than Peridot, who called Yellow Diamond a clod?

Oi, YD isn't a petty mofo, aight? Looking for a peridot on a planet that you already plan on destroying is a waste of resources, I'm assuming that a peridot isn't too far from a pearl in their caste system. Peridots are low tier weaklings without their limb enhancers. Jasper has some content to her, she had a cape in the beginning. What ordinary soldier wears a cape? Plus, she wants to #killoffrosequartz and was there for the first war.

Well that's the question, isn't it? Who is Jasper?

It's also dangerous to leave Peridot on Earth with the rebellious mindset she has developed. How could Peridot have developed that rebellious mindset all on her own? That can be a hint that some other gems are there because Peridot WOULDN'T develop that mindset of her own. So this is dangerous for Yellow Diamond and the Homeworld gems because it can mean another rebellion. Yes, YD wants to destroy the Earth but it appears she doesn't have any way to gauge when the cluster was supposed to emerge.

With all that said, yes Jasper is important. But is she so important to overlook a new, rebellious Peridot? It appears so but why?

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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:26 pm

@Garnet wrote:
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@Garnet wrote:
Someone asked a great question about Jasper:

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I’m honestly wondering why Jasper means so much to home world that she’s more important than a rebelling peridot who refuses to do her job. What does Jasper do on homeworld?

I never thought of that before. Why IS Jasper more important than Peridot, who called Yellow Diamond a clod?

Oi, YD isn't a petty mofo, aight? Looking for a peridot on a planet that you already plan on destroying is a waste of resources, I'm assuming that a peridot isn't too far from a pearl in their caste system. Peridots are low tier weaklings without their limb enhancers. Jasper has some content to her, she had a cape in the beginning. What ordinary soldier wears a cape? Plus, she wants to #killoffrosequartz and was there for the first war.

Well that's the question, isn't it? Who is Jasper?

It's also dangerous to leave Peridot on Earth with the rebellious mindset she has developed. How could Peridot have developed that rebellious mindset all on her own? That can be a hint that some other gems are there because Peridot WOULDN'T develop that mindset of her own. So this is dangerous for Yellow Diamond and the Homeworld gems because it can mean another rebellion. Yes, YD wants to destroy the Earth but it appears she doesn't have any way to gauge when the cluster was supposed to emerge.

With all that said, yes Jasper is important. But is she so important to overlook a new, rebellious Peridot? It appears so but why?

Can't answer the "who is Jasper?" question.

Peridot is rebellious, aye? But YD wouldn't have any idea that a hybrid like Steven could stop the cluster, and she still has no idea that the cluster is deactivated. YD is tryna get important boi, Jasper, out before the cluster tears the planet apart. She wouldn't need to worry about Peridot because she has no way to get off Earth or would she want to, YD thought she was all set with the cluster.

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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:56 pm

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Can't answer the "who is Jasper?" question.

That's why it's also a partly a speculation thread. It's an admiration of Jasper thread/discussion of Jasper thread. Smile Strawberry

IMO, it looked like in Hit the Diamond that the Rubies were looking for Jasper because she is in trouble with Yellow Diamond, not to save her. Though, that's plausible. I never considered that option because it seemed more like Jasper was a deadman than "hey we're here to save you from the Cluster on behalf of Yellow Diamond".

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PostSubject: Re: The Jasper Thread   Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:11 am

"who is jasper?"

she is the perfect quartz from the Beta kindergarten, the best from failure, a survivor of war and the court of the lost leader
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