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PostSubject: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Thu May 19, 2016 6:01 pm

Here's the thread for the discussion of Same Old World! Grin Strawberry after the episode airs, I'll be here to share my thoughts and I look forward to hearing yours!
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Thu May 19, 2016 7:18 pm

Stream over. That was different than what I was expecting. Stream lagged during Lapis's story so I'm gonna have to watch it again. But basically I caught, she visited Earth for some unknown reason. She was attacked because for some reason gems thought she was a Crystal Gem and was imprisoned in the mirror as a sort of punishment for being misidentified. Then she was forgotten and cracked in the panic and shuffle. Pearl found her ages later but...didn't do anything to help her. Can't really blame her for having bad feelings towards the Crystal Gems.

Lapis is definitely the most socially awkward character in the show thus far - her speaking to Steven is...strange. I'm gonna speculate that this is because she isn't familiar with Earth, as she mentioned.

Also, we got something good: a struggle between Peridot and Lapis. Can they get along? There's obvious tension between them - Lapis doesn't trust Peridot (yet). Peridot, obviously sorry and growing in character and attached to Steven is going to try and make amends with Lapis. It may not be so simple, however. Which, is good. It can't be all one big bow as if nothing happened! So I'm definitely looking forward to the conflict between these two gems as they try to share their home.

One question that wasn't answered: is Lapis going to be a Crystal Gem or is she just going to live in Beach City?? Perhaps that will be the truce Lapis comes to.

Overall, cute, informative episode. It was quite good and I enjoyed watching it. I look forward to see more of Lapis and all the character development she and Peridot are going to get.
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Thu May 19, 2016 7:21 pm

I will say this episode wasn't as strong all the way through as the last two were.I did find the interaction with Lapis and Steven to be adorable.She finally found something to smile about after all this time.And the fact that she may finally be willing to give Earth a chance is heartwarming in its own way.That being said I feel the last few minutes are the biggest point.

I wasn't expecting to see some of Lapis' backstory in this episode so that was a pleasant surprise.Betrayed by Homeworld all those years ago.Seems like Lapis has been dealing with alot of that.

And of course Lapis and Peridot running into each other again started as I expected.And this is where I wish they had aired two episodes together.That said I look forward to seeing the tension between the two come to ahead.
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Thu May 19, 2016 7:34 pm

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I will say this episode wasn't as strong all the way through as the last two were.

You think so? Perhaps it's because we had SUCH a build up with Malachite and The Cluster and we've already hit that particular story climax. We're kind of unsure of what to expect just now beyond character development. I mean Yellow Diamond could be on her way (rumour has it, she is) but we don't have that in writing so we're not sure what the next arc will be. It's a small "decline".
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Thu May 19, 2016 7:42 pm

I don't say it as if it was a bad thing.Its a good episode,sure,but I personally don't consider it a strong episode.I would say every set of Steven Universe episodes has atleast one episode weaker then the rest.

This episode also shows us that Lapis' mirror eyes are something she can turn off and on when she uses water as a mirror.
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Thu May 19, 2016 8:44 pm

Three things I got from that episode:

1:We still don't know why Lapis hates Crystal Gems more then home world

2: Gem who puffed Lapis is probably bismuth

3: The explosion we see  after home world gemes run away is powerful and has something to do with Diamonds but only 3 of them -white, blue and yellow - so could it be that explosion was death of Pink Diamond? And if not where is Pink diamond? Why there is non of her color in this explosion? There are still a lot of secrets in that story and in Lapis' back story.

Over all I liked that episode even if it was a bit awkward how characters were drawn...their hair especially. Those seem bigger then ever on Lapis and Peridot XD


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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Thu May 19, 2016 8:51 pm

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Three things I got from that episode:

1:We still don't know why Lapis hates Crystal Gems more then home world

2: Gem who puffed Lapis is probably bismuth

3: The explosion we see after home world gemes run away is powerful and has something to do with Diamonds but only 3 of them -white, blue and yellow - so could it be that explosion was death of Pink Diamond? And if not where is Pink diamond? Why there is non of her color in her explosion? There are still a lot of secrets in that story and in Lapis' back story.

Over all I liked that episode even if it was a bit awkward how characters were drawn...their hair especially. Those seem bigger then ever on Lapis and Peridot XD

All very good points.And of course people like to keep bringing up Peridot's hair haha.I believe there was a new storyboard artist so that would explain that.
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Thu May 19, 2016 8:58 pm

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All very good points.And of course people like to keep bringing up Peridot's hair haha.I believe there was a new storyboard artist so that would explain that.

It's less strange than open mouths in gem drill episode where characters had open their mouths for longer then it was nesesery...and so wide too Shocked But it could be worst tho... considering some other CN shows :/
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Thu May 19, 2016 10:37 pm

And to no surprise artwork of the Gem that poofed Lapis in her flashback already has a decent amount done.This fandom works fast.And I've already seen one person theorize said Gem will be important later because of the hair.Which given Steven Universe and its love of anime tropes is a good possibility.Several theories also state that said Gem might be Bismuth or possibly Lion as a gem.
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Fri May 20, 2016 4:39 am

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And to no surprise artwork of the Gem that poofed Lapis in her flashback already has a decent amount done.This fandom works fast.And I've already seen one person theorize said Gem will be important later because of the hair.Which given Steven Universe and its love of anime tropes is a good possibility.Several theories also state that said Gem might be Bismuth or possibly Lion as a gem.



Yeah it's obvious we will see that gem more at least in flashbacks. Ut I don't think she could be Lion. She's Bismuth seems more like it to me.

If Gem that poofed Lapis was Lion in the past it would mean that now she's corrupted gem as Lion. And we know those aren't exactly as pet like as Lion - who is just acting like a big cat. Corrupted gems are much more 'mentally broken' and unbalanced with their mental state -which ;leads them to act rather aggressive most of the time strong emotions of needing help, fear, amger and so on. Lion is way too chill and peaceful being to be corrupt gem.

We would also need explanation why  the Gem that poofed Lapis after becoming Lion do not have any longer so many colors of her hair? I don't know why she would loose them after becoming Lion. And also  how the Gem that poofed Lapis got all of Roses stuff? Did Rose made her into Lion? Can gems force other gems to form not the way forming gem feels right (for example poofed Gem that poofed Lapis) but to make them form how the other not poofed wants (in that role for example Rose):?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Fri May 20, 2016 4:40 am

@Goldenevil91 wrote:
Three things I got from that episode:

1:We still don't know why Lapis hates Crystal Gems more then home world

2: Gem who puffed Lapis is probably bismuth

3: The explosion we see after home world gemes run away is powerful and has something to do with Diamonds but only 3 of them -white, blue and yellow - so could it be that explosion was death of Pink Diamond? And if not where is Pink diamond? Why there is non of her color in her explosion? There are still a lot of secrets in that story and in Lapis' back story.

1. Perhaps it's because Rose Quartz was known for taking in "odd gems" and she didn't do anything for Lapis. She just left her there to suffer. Didn't try to help her or anything.

2. What makes you think it's Bismuth? :O Ok I got my rewatch in and saw the odd gem shape on that character in Lapis' flashback.

What's interesting is that Bismuth has been rumoured to be Rose Quartz's proto-Steven but I'm seeing fan art of this character with like Yellow Diamond insignia.

My first thought that comes to mind though is that though at the time this is happening, Lapis is saying she was confused for a Crystal Gem. But perhaps this character who may be Bismuth, is on the Crystal Gem side and attacking Lapis cause she is a Homeworld gem. Then she gets picked up later by another gem, mistaking her for a Crystal Gem.

3. I was also thinking that explosion could have been Pink Diamond, if she is indeed not Rose Quartz, sacrificing herself to try and stop the other three diamonds. Because that happened soon after they left Earth so it would be odd IMO for the three other diamonds to kill Pink Diamond right then and there.

However it's conflicting. If Pink Diamond is associated with Rose, I doubt she'd be captured and the Crystal Gems still victorious against Homeworld. If Pink Diamond was their leader, that would count as a defeat to have her killed. And if she WAS captured and defeated, I'd assume they'd do it on Earth.

There is also the thought that that tricoloured diamond explosion was a last ditch attempt to defeat the rebellion. That's where Rose's shield came in and how she wasn't able to save everybody...

...which would bring us to why Rose would be involved with the fusion experiments, if not heading the whole operation and the diamonds later got wind of it and decided to use it for their own means, years later.
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Fri May 20, 2016 6:56 am

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[strike]What makes you think it's Bismuth? Whoa Strawberry





this three images are flying around tumblr and if you think about that can be Bismuth gem. Especially if we  guess most of gemstone we see in bubble is inside Bismuth body and what we see on her chest is simply the tip of whole thing that she seen on the chest

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My first thought that comes to mind though is that though at the time this is happening, Lapis is saying she was confused for a Crystal Gem. But perhaps this character who may be Bismuth, is on the Crystal Gem side and attacking Lapis cause she is a Home World gem. Then she gets picked up later by another gem, mistaking her for a Crystal Gem.  

If Bismuth - gem that poofed Lapis- was a Crystal Gem why is she in a bubble then? Not only that she is hidden away  realm that is in lion's main where only Steven can go in? Why is it this specific gem had to be even harder to find then others? Impassible to find even except for Steven?


Like I said there is so much we don't know. Rebecca clearly carried to Steven Universe the Adventure Time's school of showing information. Enough to get you interested but never whole story at once -what makes you hooked on mystery bounce
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Fri May 20, 2016 7:01 am

@Goldenevil91 wrote:

If Bismuth - gem that poofed Lapis- was a Crystal Gem why is she in a bubble then? Not only that she is hidden away  realm that is in lion's main where only Steven can go in? Why is it this specific gem had to be even harder to find then others? Impassible to find even except for Steven?

Well the most of the rumours I've heard of Bismuth were that Bismuth was Proto-Steven. If that were the case, there were obviously flaws with it and harder to control and probably didn't have Rose's heart like Steven does. If Bismuth was Proto-Steven and flawed, perhaps it went rouge (which would be an interesting story) and had to be bubbled in the end.

We should definitely liven up the Bismuth thread.
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Fri May 20, 2016 7:09 am

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Well the most of the rumours I've heard of Bismuth were that Bismuth was Proto-Steven. If that were the case, there were obviously flaws with it and harder to control and probably didn't have Rose's heart like Steven does. If Bismuth was Proto-Steven and flawed, perhaps it went rouge (which would be an interesting story) and had to be bubbled in the end.

Don't you thing then Steven should be the last being in the Universe to see Bismuth then? Especially when place where Bismuth is only Steven can enter where Rose also left video tape for him? She knew he would find this place and all what is in there.
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Fri May 20, 2016 7:15 am

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Well the most of the rumours I've heard of Bismuth were that Bismuth was Proto-Steven. If that were the case, there were obviously flaws with it and harder to control and probably didn't have Rose's heart like Steven does. If Bismuth was Proto-Steven and flawed, perhaps it went rouge (which would be an interesting story) and had to be bubbled in the end.

Don't you thing then Steven should be the last being in the Universe to see Bismuth then? Especially when place where Bismuth is  only Steven can enter where Rose also left video tape for him? She knew he would find this place and all what is in there.

Well, no. Because it all has to come out, eventually. The bigger the secret, the more likely it is to get out. Plus, it causes conflict in the plot as well as revealing more backstory and information on Rose and the war.
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Fri May 20, 2016 7:24 am

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Well, no. Because it all has to come out, eventually. The bigger the secret, the more likely it is to get out. Plus, it causes conflict in the plot as well as revealing more backstory and information on Rose and the war.


But she could hide it in so many places where Steven would never see one of her possible sins ? Even that armory Pearl and Lion showed Steven would make more sense then realm in lion's main. Or underground of kinder garden or deep inside of temple....well I guess we will need to wait and see what crewunivers has in store with that one :cyclops:
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Fri May 20, 2016 8:32 am

GUYS?!? I just realized if not far from barn is warpad



then why in this episode Steven and gems don't use it to go back to temple?
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Fri May 20, 2016 8:48 am

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GUYS?!? I just realized if not far from barn is warpad



then why in this episode Steven and gems don't use it to go back to temple?

They said it got busted from either the battle with Malachite or the earthquake or both.
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Fri May 20, 2016 8:50 am

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They said it got busted from either the battle with Malachite or the earthquake or both.


Well The Malachite battle destroyed one on Mask island and at the end of Gem drill I think games used it to came back to barn with Lapis...so...that one next to barn is still there? scratch scratch scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Fri May 20, 2016 8:53 am

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They said it got busted from either the battle with Malachite or the earthquake or both.


Well The Malachite battle destroyed one on Mask island and at the end of Gem drill I think games used it to came back to barn with Lapis...so...that one next to barn is still there? scratch scratch scratch

XD maybe it was convenience to get them there ASAP. Otherwise yes it would've made sense for everyone to run to the temple and warp from there.

Or maaaaaybe Peridot built one by the barn?
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Fri May 20, 2016 8:57 am

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one next to barn is still there? scratch scratch scratch
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XD maybe it was convenience to get them there ASAP. Otherwise yes it would've made sense for everyone to run to the temple and warp from there.

Or maaaaaybe Peridot built one by the barn?[/quote]



see it's not even damaged ! and this is screen shoot right after Steven and Peridot came out from underground and rest of gems just got back with lapis.

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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Fri May 20, 2016 9:05 am

The only possible explanation I can think of is certain warp pads can only go to specific locations. Like that particular warp pad can only go to Mask Island. Where the warp pad in the temple can go pretty much anywhere.
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Fri May 20, 2016 10:25 am

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The only possible explanation I can think of is certain warp pads can only go to specific locations. Like that particular warp pad can only go to Mask Island. Where the warp pad in the temple can go pretty much anywhere.

or it slipped creuniverse mind like that Greg in first photo in album we see has still hair on his head and with Photo with Rose we see in episode one top of his head is already bold. OR it's just plot convince?
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Sat May 21, 2016 5:33 am

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The only possible explanation I can think of is certain warp pads can only go to specific locations. Like that particular warp pad can only go to Mask Island. Where the warp pad in the temple can go pretty much anywhere.

It would be kinda week if some warpads were only leading to one location it kinda defeats functionality of warpads
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PostSubject: Re: Steven Universe Episode 3/03: Same Old World [Spoilers]    Sat May 21, 2016 5:38 am

An interesting review of episode with many interesting points presented about the episode


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