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PostSubject: [Debate]Can Jasper be reedemed?   [Debate]Can Jasper be reedemed? I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 22, 2016 3:46 pm

See the title.
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PostSubject: Re: [Debate]Can Jasper be reedemed?   [Debate]Can Jasper be reedemed? I_icon_minitimeFri Sep 23, 2016 12:19 pm

Lapis & Jasper wrote:
See the title.

Well, what's your position on this? And why?

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate]Can Jasper be reedemed?   [Debate]Can Jasper be reedemed? I_icon_minitimeFri Sep 23, 2016 2:39 pm

Well, I think yes, and here's why: they came to Earth together, and it would be sad for them to be on opposite sides now. I feel it would be extremely sad for Peridot and Lapis to have to kill her.
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PostSubject: Re: [Debate]Can Jasper be reedemed?   [Debate]Can Jasper be reedemed? I_icon_minitimeFri Sep 23, 2016 3:09 pm

Well. You do pose an interesting question. But can Jasper be redeemed is the question. It's a hard one to answer. Why? Because she did some pretty brutal things. Yes, we know it's because she was built for war, but that's what makes her hard to answer. I'm not sure if she can. I'll have to have a further think on it and hear what other people have to say.

If she is redeemed, it must be good. It must be heart wrenching, thought provoking, etc. etc. It can't just be "Steven loves you the end".

However, if she's not redeemed, that's fine by me, too. You can't save everybody - you just can't. It'd be unrealistic for Steven to be able to convince every gem of the Crystal Gem's noble cause. But, who knows what can happen with the Crewniverse.

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PostSubject: Re: [Debate]Can Jasper be reedemed?   [Debate]Can Jasper be reedemed? I_icon_minitimeSun May 07, 2017 7:34 pm

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After Jasper's corruption, I think, should they ever find a way to reverse corruption, Jasper will be able to be redeemed.

The thing about good redemption arcs is that you have to do it in a way that makes it believable. There's three stages to a good redemption:

1) Pacification (either by restraint or by forced allegiance, either way they must stop being an active threat)

2) Doubt in Cause (doubt in what they believe, or put their current belief into question. This needs to be timed correctly; not rushed but not dragged on).

3) Change of Heart

If Jasper's redemption is done right, her motivation, reasoning, and timing of her redemption must make sense.



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